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| matt_good | no, I'm looking around for ideas for work | 00:02 |
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| matt_good | I'll take another look at TW | 00:03 |
| benbangert | it no longer uses Peak, RuleDispatch, and all that nuttiness | 00:03 |
| matt_good | ah | 00:03 |
| benbangert | and it has some spiffy WSGI middleware you slot in that handles throwing in dependencies and such | 00:04 |
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| matt_good | it's using formencode though, right? | 00:04 |
| benbangert | for validation, yea | 00:04 |
| matt_good | any idea if I can keep my forms separate from the schema? | 00:05 |
| benbangert | I think so | 00:05 |
| benbangert | http://toscawidgets.org/documentation/tw.forms/ has a few pylons tutorials | 00:05 |
| benbangert | http://toscawidgets.org/documentation/tw.forms/tutorials/pylons_one.html#using-the-form-to-validate-input | 00:06 |
| benbangert | they seem to get validators attached | 00:06 |
| benbangert | you could make a mixin class that lets you keep formencode schemas separately rather easily I'd imagine | 00:06 |
| benbangert | since they just get added to the widgets | 00:06 |
| matt_good | ok, I'll poke at it a bit tomorrow | 00:09 |
| grault | I'm pretty interested in this stuff since my project has many areas that would be very amenable to data-driven form generation (and I'm already home-cooking some of my own). | 00:09 |
| grault | ...but something is making me reinvent from scratch at this point, I think just for the learning process. It will be very interesting to see if what I come up with looks like FormEncode + custom mako call tags etc. | 00:10 |
| grault | (maintaining benign ignorance of their source at this point) | 00:11 |
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| matt_good | though, I have a feeling TW might be a bit "weird" to go over with everyone else, especially since it's not really familiar territory for designers | 00:12 |
| matt_good | though I can try it out w/ my stuff to see how it goes | 00:13 |
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| mvt | so anyone here experience with wtforms, better then formencode? | 00:55 |
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| sector119 | mvt: u mean tw.forms? | 01:16 |
| sector119 | they use formencode for validation | 01:17 |
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| mvt | no wtforms hehe | 01:18 |
| mvt | http://wtforms.simplecodes.com/ | 01:18 |
| mvt | new | 01:18 |
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| mvt | seems like a simpler version of formencode with auto generating field widgets (which seems to offer most of the functionality of my own lib) | 01:19 |
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| mvt | anyone here using unittest with pylons 0.9.7 ? | 01:54 |
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| mvt | zepolen: hi, are you using unittesting with pylons 0.9.7? | 01:59 |
| mvt | ;p | 01:59 |
| zepolen | no | 01:59 |
| mvt | seems broken or i'm doing something really wrong | 01:59 |
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| zepolen | mvt: i gave up unit testing webapps | 02:52 |
| lto | what's this unittesting you're talking about? | 02:56 |
| bob_f | Some new hippie movement. | 02:56 |
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| mvt | unittesting takes some work, but at this point i'm dissapointed that i didn't do it for a project | 03:13 |
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| bob_f | Unit tests are a gazillion times easier to write as you write the code. | 03:32 |
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| zepolen | unit testing is good, but not for webapps | 03:42 |
| zepolen | you cant just check if a response is returned | 03:43 |
| Signum | I think there's a macro-style plugin for firefox that records what you do and what to expect. Seems to be less painful to test an application that way. | 03:45 |
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| zepolen | one problem is a logged in user vs non logged in | 03:46 |
| zepolen | let along query variables, post forms etc. | 03:47 |
| Signum | you could try to simulate the login process. | 03:47 |
| zepolen | Signum: you can get around it sure, but one tiny valid change in your app, might break the testing code | 03:48 |
| zepolen | in the wrong way | 03:48 |
| zepolen | i prefer doing the tests on individual functions that have deterministic input/output | 03:49 |
| zepolen | and then doing a full sweep on the actions just to check if a response is returned | 03:49 |
| zepolen | even then, problems arise, which is why email errors are so useful :) | 03:49 |
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| Signum | Having the users beta-test the applications saves you time and makes them feel useful. What else is there to wish for. :) | 03:52 |
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| zepolen | beta tests are overrated | 04:01 |
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| deone_ | anyone with ideas on how to access a json variable in a template | 07:24 |
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| ltbarcly | a json variable? | 07:27 |
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| brentodd | Formencode 1.1: I have a couple of radio buttons on a form, validating with OneOf(['Y','N'],not_empty=True), and if the user does not select on of the options, Formencode blows up with this: http://beta.pylonshq.com/tracebacks/314fac46-2a11-4669-9322-915b3bb97c24 | 07:28 |
| ltbarcly | that's htmlfill | 07:29 |
| ltbarcly | since it's not one of Y or N, it is passing None | 07:29 |
| ltbarcly | htmlfill can't handle a non-string | 07:29 |
| ltbarcly | easiest solution is to just make Y or N the default | 07:30 |
| brentodd | pretty sure the same thing was working with the previous version though | 07:31 |
| brentodd | and really, a better behavior (in my opinion) would be to raise invalid because None is not in ['Y','N'] | 07:31 |
| brentodd | And we don't want to default the user to one option or the other - we want them to answer the question. Can't default an option on a ballot, for example, you have to actively choose one | 07:34 |
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| ltbarcly | maybe it's a bug | 07:36 |
| desmaj | the problem isn't happening on validation. it's happening when you redraw the form. | 07:36 |
| desmaj | yeah, that doesn't seem right. | 07:36 |
| ltbarcly | right, it's trying to show an error, like "you have to pick Y or N" | 07:36 |
| brentodd | right | 07:37 |
| desmaj | I don't think you want "not_empty=True" there | 07:38 |
| ltbarcly | do radio buttons submit anything if they aren't checked? | 07:38 |
| desmaj | you want more of a not_missing. | 07:38 |
| ltbarcly | check boxes just don't submit anything | 07:38 |
| ltbarcly | so what you are saying is don't accept '' | 07:39 |
| ltbarcly | but it's getting *nothing* | 07:39 |
| ltbarcly | not even empty string, that name just isn't in the post at all | 07:39 |
| desmaj | have you tried without not_empty? | 07:39 |
| ltbarcly | right, not_missing is more like it | 07:39 |
| brentodd | is not_missing a real thing? | 07:39 |
| ltbarcly | not_empty means take 'this' but not '' | 07:39 |
| desmaj | but not_missing doesn't exist explicitly. it's the default behavior | 07:39 |
| ltbarcly | you are saying, for the key xxx, don't take empty strings | 07:40 |
| ltbarcly | they are submitting {} | 07:40 |
| ltbarcly | so yea, the key xxx doesn't have an empty string | 07:40 |
| ltbarcly | since the key isn't in there | 07:40 |
| brentodd | it has the same issue if I do not use the not_empty | 07:40 |
| ltbarcly | I'm not sure how you are supposed to handle checkboxes and stuff with formencode | 07:41 |
| desmaj | brentodd: really? exactly the same? | 07:41 |
| brentodd | it kind of works if I say both if_missing='U', if_empty='U' ('U' being some random value that is not in the options) | 07:41 |
| brentodd | yes - exactly the same so far as I can tell | 07:42 |
| desmaj | brentodd: get out of the browser and write some tests around this thing. | 07:43 |
| desmaj | are you using the validate decorator? | 07:44 |
| brentodd | yes | 07:44 |
| desmaj | that's weird - if validation fails (and it should), then the validate decorator should be using htmlfill.render to redraw the for using the posted form values. | 07:47 |
| desmaj | your radio field should be empty, not None. | 07:47 |
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| brentodd | I just verified that going back to FormEncode 1.0.1 does in fact work with the same code | 07:49 |
| brentodd | it renders the error message 'Missing Value' | 07:49 |
| desmaj | yeah. i wonder if htmlfill.render does different things now. | 07:49 |
| brentodd | must be... I'll just keep using 1.0.1 then, and post this to the formencode mailing list? | 07:50 |
| desmaj | sure. | 07:51 |
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| ltbarcly | zepolen: do you run reindexdb? | 09:57 |
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| _paneb | when a POST is successful, and a resource was created, i should return 201 with a Location header. that is fine, but if the client is a browser (eg. firefox, ie), then it would be more user-friendly to redirect to the location itself. what do i use to decide whether i should redirect or not? the request's UserAgent ? | 10:04 |
| Chairos | you sure the browser won't respect 201? | 10:04 |
| Chairos | also, rails uses the media type | 10:04 |
| Chairos | xml/json get a 201, html gets a redirect | 10:04 |
| _paneb | Chairos, firefox shows me a blank page | 10:04 |
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| _paneb | oh the location should be stored in the response body as well? | 10:09 |
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| devinus | how do i make pylons stop complaining about my old projects when i access a member not on 'c' ? | 10:44 |
| benbangert | you don't want an exception thrown? | 10:45 |
| benbangert | just make the change to your enviornment.py described in the upgrading docs | 10:45 |
| benbangert | devinus: http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonsdocs/Upgrading | 10:45 |
| benbangert | note in the minimal steps, the 2 config options for 'c' | 10:45 |
| devinus | benbangert: thanks | 10:52 |
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| malex | Why can't I write "${h.link_to(${ilist.id}... i.e. use a variable for label in link_to? All I get in pylons traceback is "wrong syntax" | 11:35 |
| _paneb | ${h.link_to(ilist.id.... | 11:35 |
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| Chairos | ${} requires that everything inside it be valid python syntax | 11:36 |
| Chairos | however, ${} is not itself valid python syntax | 11:36 |
| Chairos | so, leave it out inside | 11:36 |
| malex | aahh bummer. Got it. Thanks! | 11:36 |
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| Zenom | anyone know if there is a way to update multiple rows with sqlalchemy without doing like update(my_table, my_table.c.value==Blah) | 12:30 |
| Zenom | ie., is there a way to do like db.query(MyTable).update(blah=bleh) | 12:30 |
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| sluggo206 | zenom: I don't think so. | 12:57 |
| sluggo206 | With the ORM you pretty much have to fetch each object before modifying it. | 12:58 |
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| Signum | Zenom: you can do that: http://www.sqlalchemy.org/docs/04/sqlexpression.html#sql_update | 13:17 |
| Signum | Zenom: It's not an ORM operation though. It operates on the underlying table. | 13:18 |
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| elfguy516 | is there a way to change the user/group beaker runs as when creating session and template directories? | 13:49 |
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| brian | I'm using Pylons and SQLAlchemy | 15:04 |
| brian | I want to add a WHERE condition to certain SQLAlchemy queries based on the current user logged in | 15:05 |
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| benbangert | and out goes RC3 | 15:32 |
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| benbangert | wooo, and now there's a Pylons release with full Python 2.6 compatibility! | 15:54 |
| benbangert | http://beta.pylonshq.com/buildbot/index | 15:54 |
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| brian | hi!!! | 15:55 |
| malex | anyone knows how to pass .default data to a TextField tw widget in a template? Does the data have to be a dictionary or something else? | 16:12 |
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| keitheis | the beta site of pylons looks pretty cool. I like it, and its src | 19:50 |
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| benbangert | it should be launching in a few weeks ;) | 19:59 |
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